[Phaedrus]

1. There is more to economics than "basic".
2. Paying attention is a meaningless statement if you are already working from a defined set of beliefs that orient you to a particular focus.
3. "See it all happening" is a quality of omniscience that is typically not human. Also, see point two.
4. Your apolcalyptic vision carries a certain religious flavor.
Ron Paul is a person who is logically consistent within the framework of his beliefs. He is not a god.

[paesano]

Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
~P

[Turnpike]

Progressive statements here and else where are rhetoric. People are wising up to the facts. The some tactics from the Progressive rhetoric play book is to distract from the issues and problems our nation is under going so it can collapse the system, thus blaming the oppossion. Progressives are good at that, just read some of the twist on this tread. Religion being mentioned as well as demonizing persons and situations, I'm surprised that racism wasn't mentioned yet, but give it time Truth is, the Progressives always think they know everything there is to know about everything, yet they know nothing about everything. Does it sound like someone so far? There is a serious problem heading our way with our national financial security. To start, the problem comes from compromising with the Progressive movement. Next, the current policies with the Federal Reserve, as well as the Federal Reserve its self. Another issue, is why do we as a nation even let the IMF dictate any policy? Even Germany has mentioned about pulling out of the EU, and the IMF. In order for them to get full control over the global economy, they have to collapse the global economy. Again, devaluing of our currency abroad is part of that plan, plus it's the reason for rising cost of fuel prices. The current administration’s financial policies are going to drive full costs even high, in turn will set off a chain reaction of increased stables. Its going to happen, just when will it take off fully.

[Turnpike]

Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
~P

Great one liner, love it.

[Phaedrus]

Progressive statements here and else where are rhetoric. People are wising up to the facts. The some tactics from the Progressive rhetoric play book is to distract from the issues and problems our nation is under going so it can collapse the system, thus blaming the oppossion. Progressives are good at that, just read some of the twist on this tread. Religion being mentioned as well as demonizing persons and situations, I'm surprised that racism wasn't mentioned yet, but give it time Truth is, the Progressives always think they know everything there is to know about everything, yet they know nothing about everything. Does it sound like someone so far? There is a serious problem heading our way with our national financial security. To start, the problem comes from compromising with the Progressive movement. Next, the current policies with the Federal Reserve, as well as the Federal Reserve its self. Another issue, is why do we as a nation even let the IMF dictate any policy? Even Germany has mentioned about pulling out of the EU, and the IMF. In order for them to get full control over the global economy, they have to collapse the global economy. Again, devaluing of our currency abroad is part of that plan, plus it's the reason for rising cost of fuel prices. The current administration’s financial policies are going to drive full costs even high, in turn will set off a chain reaction of increased stables. Its going to happen, just when will it take off fully.

Define rhetoric.

[Turnpike]

The art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing. Language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.


The very act of defining itself has been a central part of rhetoric, appearing among Aristotle's Topics.[2] The word is derived from the Greek ῥητορικός (rhētorikós), "oratorical",[3] from ῥήτωρ (rhḗtōr), "public speaker",[4] related to ῥημα (rhêma), "that which is said or spoken, word, saying",[5] and ultimately derived from the verb ἐρῶ (erô), "to speak, say".[6] In its broadest sense, rhetoric concerns human discourse.[7][8]

[Phaedrus]

It was Plato who defined the Sophists as primarily concerned with Rhetoric as being the use of language to promote one's own point of view without regard to the truth. Plato postulated Dialectic as the means to arrive at truth, whereby individuals could, through discourse, come to an understanding. It assumed no one person held the truth.

I mentioned this conflict in a previous post. If you look back a couple posts you will see that I actually addressed your points, whereas you just launched a general attack on progressives without actually engaging my argument. Therefore, you are the Rhetorician that you claim progressives to be.

[Phaedrus]

Hey Turnpike,
Bernanke pretty much destroyed your paranoid hyper-inflation arguments at his press conference yesterday. How do you feel about that?

[Turnpike]

Sorry, he is part of the problem. The Federal reserve is the problem.

Sorry, everything isn't fine. Well, here it is right from the month of Mrs. Progressive herself. Global food prices, and global food shortages effects our bottom line as well. Unless you listen to
Phaedrus.


ROME -- U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton warned Friday that global shortages of food and spiraling prices threaten widespread destabilization and is urging immediate action to forestall a repeat of the 2007 and 2008 crisis that led to riots in dozens of countries around the developing world.
Clinton told a meeting of the U.N.'s Food and Agriculture Organization that urgent steps are needed to hold down costs and boost agricultural production as food prices continue to rise.


"We must act now, effectively and cooperatively, to blunt the negative impact of rising food prices and protect people and communities," she said at the FAO's headquarters in Rome.
The U.N. estimates that 44 million people have been pushed into poverty since last June because of rising food prices, which could lead to desperate shortages and unrest. Clinton said the world could no longer "keep falling back on providing emergency aid to keep the Band-Aid on."
Speaking to a room full of ambassadors to the Rome-based U.N. food agencies, Clinton warned that some countries had adopted "unwise" policies such as export bans during the 2007-2008 food crises "that only made matters worse" by driving up prices, encouraging hoarding and panic buying and discouraging farmers from producing more.