[Phaedrus]

Sorry Jerrycurl, I assumed the point you and the RNC were trying to make was that he has been a bad President, not why he ran. Why he ran is kind of an empty debate at this point, but let me say this about that:

1. He did not declare until May 2nd 2007. Putting the date in 2005 is stretching it.
2. He always had Presidential aspirations. At some point he had to do the math. If Hillary wins he has to wait 8 more years in the Senate, 12 years in total, where you build the kind of voting record that makes it impossible for Senators to become President.
3. Even with this scenario, its a good idea to run now. If Hillary loses then he has an organization in place for a run in 2012. Or he may be chosen as V.P.

I don't think he really expected to win when he ran. Everyone thought that Hillary was the presumptive nominee and as good a campaign as Obama ran, Hillary ran a bad campaign. In the normal universe, Hillary would likely be President. She screwed it up.

So the real question after all that water under the bridge, is whether Obama is a good President. I think he is. You don't.

[pinkie1978]

Sorry Jerrycurl, I assumed the point you and the RNC were trying to make was that he has been a bad President, not why he ran. Why he ran is kind of an empty debate at this point, but let me say this about that:

1. He did not declare until May 2nd 2007. Putting the date in 2005 is stretching it.
2. He always had Presidential aspirations. At some point he had to do the math. If Hillary wins he has to wait 8 more years in the Senate, 12 years in total, where you build the kind of voting record that makes it impossible for Senators to become President.
3. Even with this scenario, its a good idea to run now. If Hillary loses then he has an organization in place for a run in 2012. Or he may be chosen as V.P.

I don't think he really expected to win when he ran. Everyone thought that Hillary was the presumptive nominee and as good a campaign as Obama ran, Hillary ran a bad campaign. In the normal universe, Hillary would likely be President. She screwed it up.

So the real question after all that water under the bridge, is whether Obama is a good President. I think he is. You don't.

Have you checked out his approval rating? Just wondering. And like you said he and the democrats will be "water under the bridge."

[norton]

Sorry Jerrycurl, I assumed the point you and the RNC were trying to make was that he has been a bad President, not why he ran. Why he ran is kind of an empty debate at this point, but let me say this about that:


I don't think he really expected to win when he ran. Everyone thought that Hillary was the presumptive nominee and as good a campaign as Obama ran, Hillary ran a bad campaign. In the normal universe, Hillary would likely be President. She screwed it up.

So the real question after all that water under the bridge, is whether Obama is a good President. I think he is. You don't.

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Wow, How about that. He thinks he is a good president. A true devotee to the "party".

Is Obama a dumb man trying to act smart or a smart man acting dumb. Throughout history the latter are the most dangerous.
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This fits today quite well:-
"If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth. And this idea that government is beholden to the people, that it has no other source of power except to sovereign people, is still the newest and most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man. This is the issue of this election. Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves." - Ronald Reagan, Oct. 27, 1964

[Jason747]

So Republicans had full control of the Supreme Court, both houses of Congress until 2006, and after they lost that control Bush just used his executive orders to do what they wanted anyway, he had a huge 90% support following 9-11.....and made epic mistake after mistake from 2000-2008.......until the people kicked them out hard.

But come November they are going to come in and fix everything as the party of change even though since 2008 they have had zero practical ideas except to go back and do more of what they did from 2000-2008.....excuse me while I go laugh out loud for a few minutes.

[Leginald]

This is just plain awesome:


Old, antiquated Republicans with their precious little antique "protocols" are the cancer that is killing this democracy.

[Boro Friend]

This is just plain awesome:


Old, antiquated Republicans with their precious little antique "protocols" are the cancer that is killing this democracy.

What's his name again ? lol

[Phaedrus]

Great BF, make fun of his name rather than address what he says. You are just another Republican shill.

[astontibs]

Can I ask Astontibs? Was it a hands down easy decision that you knew you were going to vote for Obama? What was it that made you go that direction? Was it that you were tired of the 8 years of Republican machine running it's course? Was it the war and you wanted it to end? Was it the charm and charisma that circled Obama wherever he went? Was it the words he spoke about hope and change that had you believing maybe the country just could be completely different and everyone could be happy? Obviously you don't have to partake. I am always curious when people have 'buyers remorse' with him. Were you at all hesitant, even with all of his affiliations before the election? Or was it simply that you did not want McCain/Palin in the White House so you had to go the other?

Mondo Man, happy to oblige. My wife and I have always been independents, but we never paid much attention to politics in fact personally I hated it and I still would rather sit and watch NASCAR or shows about rebuilding hot rods or discovery channel, travel channel or other light fare. I always viewed myself as socially liberal (ie views on abortion, homosexuality, lifestyle issues) but conservative elsewhere (free market, strong military, small government etc). At election time, I was tired of Bush, and saw McCain as an extension of him. I am OK with the war and if Obama had been strongly against it, it may have changed my mind. I didn't put much stock in Obama's affiliations, but then again, I was only watching mainstream media and they were minimizing those associations. I never even knew what Progressive meant. That changed shortly after the election when we spoke with a good friend of ours who is strongly against Progressivism. At first I though he was a crazy conspiracy theorist, but since he was a friend I gave him the benefit of the doubt and started doing my own research. That's when I really woke up. I now read both mainstream papers and watch Fox News. I don't believe what either one says until I have a chance to look at the other side, but I do believe we are headed in the wrong direction toward socialism.

[Mondo Man]

Thanks. I appreciate it. You know what else I appreciate? Overhaulin'. When I can catch it.