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By ElephantInTheRoom
#337530
People should keep up to speed on the changing terminology of the Progressive movement.

Americans are now becoming more informed about Socialism, and the Progressive movement. Now it's time to understand the changing terminology.

Progressives always know their message is unpopular, once people become aware and wake up to what it truly is. When this happens, Socialists/Progressives merely change their name and terminology. They go underground, and back to the drawing board. They change their name and language, and emerge once again under a different name. However, keep in mind the goal is still the same. The agenda is still the same.

Progressives now know the term "Progressive" ,"Socialist", and "Liberal" are no longer popular. They know associating with these identities is no longer popular with voters. Therefore, you will begin to see them identify themselves with new terminology to fool you into thinking they are not who they say they are. The attempt will be more "conservative", "center", or "right leaning" terms to trick voters otherwise. Always remember! The agenda and goals are still the same! Don't fall for this!

Mark my words! In the future, you will notice Progressives calling themselves less and less by the names "Progressive" or "Liberal". You will here them identify themselves by more "Right" leaning names like "Centrist" and "Moderate". When you hear speech from a person all wishy washy, flip flopping all over the place calling themselves a "Moderate"; you know what you got on your hands.

I noticed a new word used by President Obama in his State of the Union speech. He is now subsituting a new word(s) for "stimulus spending" and "government spending". He knows Americans largely want a stop to government out of control spending. So he has started using a new word. President Obama's new word for "spending" is "investment". It means the same thing. For example you will no longer hear Obama say, "we need to spend more on infrastructure". Rather he will start saying, "we need to INVEST more on infrastructure". Pay attention on how the word INVEST is being used! INVEST = BIG GOVERNMENT SPENDING
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By paesano
#337554
ElephantInTheRoom wrote:People should keep up to speed on the changing terminology of the Progressive movement.

Americans are now becoming more informed about Socialism, and the Progressive movement. Now it's time to understand the changing terminology.

Progressives always know their message is unpopular, once people become aware and wake up to what it truly is. When this happens, Socialists/Progressives merely change their name and terminology. They go underground, and back to the drawing board. They change their name and language, and emerge once again under a different name. However, keep in mind the goal is still the same. The agenda is still the same.

Progressives now know the term "Progressive" ,"Socialist", and "Liberal" are no longer popular. They know associating with these identities is no longer popular with voters. Therefore, you will begin to see them identify themselves with new terminology to fool you into thinking they are not who they say they are. The attempt will be more "conservative", "center", or "right leaning" terms to trick voters otherwise. Always remember! The agenda and goals are still the same! Don't fall for this!

Mark my words! In the future, you will notice Progressives calling themselves less and less by the names "Progressive" or "Liberal". You will here them identify themselves by more "Right" leaning names like "Centrist" and "Moderate". When you hear speech from a person all wishy washy, flip flopping all over the place calling themselves a "Moderate"; you know what you got on your hands.

I noticed a new word used by President Obama in his State of the Union speech. He is now subsituting a new word(s) for "stimulus spending" and "government spending". He knows Americans largely want a stop to government out of control spending. So he has started using a new word. President Obama's new word for "spending" is "investment". It means the same thing. For example you will no longer hear Obama say, "we need to spend more on infrastructure". Rather he will start saying, "we need to INVEST more on infrastructure". Pay attention on how the word INVEST is being used! INVEST = BIG GOVERNMENT SPENDING


Thanks EITR, I had notice the same thing!
~P
By c_yatsuk
#337593
ElephantInTheRoom wrote:When you hear speech from a person all wishy washy, flip flopping all over the place calling themselves a "Moderate"; you know what you got on your hands.


If you want to know what a liberal stands for, ask a conservative. If you want to know what a conservative stands for, ask a liberal. In neither case do we allow liberals or conservatives to define themselves? They have tried, for sure. But nobody listens to liberals other than other liberals. At the same time, conservatives talk to other conservatives when they discuss conservative values. Through this simple dynamic the great American political divide is achieved.

While Dems and Repubs each sling verbal arrows at each other, the most piercing and heated arguments initiate not from the center of each party, but from the most outspoken minority on the outside fringe. These are the people who we don’t want driving policy. These are the ones we should never give power to. Yet, while these tend to be the loudest voices in many political discussions, they are not the most numerous, nor the most powerful.

No, my dear friends, the most powerful political bloc in the US is the political moderate. Chances are, you’re a member of this demographic and you don’t even know it. This is a group of people who are “fence sitters”, don’t have an opinion on everything, and don’t think there’s very many issues at all that have a 100% right or 100% wrong approach. And then get criticized for it. For instance, I was told I was once spineless or didn’t have a backbone. Why, because I didn’t agree 100% on this or that, or agreed with this but not that.

“The fringe” will tell you moderates “live in the middle” and that they don’t feel strongly about any issue. Instead, we’re told that moderates throw up a few blades of grass into the wind and see which way it is blowing – and then decide. In a short, but related topic: It’s like getting into a debate or a discussion with someone who is on the fringe who is completely blind to the other side of the issue. (I.e. see Leginald) And then they get mad at you for not only seeing their side but the other side as well?

As in many other cases, the folks on the far right and left are wrong here as well. A political moderate is an individual who holds values that are considered traditionally conservative as well as some that are considered traditionally liberal. Are you for a strong national defense and for good public education? (I am! 11.5yr Vet and graduate of SVHS!) Do you value the environment while you also value the need to provide decent jobs? (I do) Do you believe that it’s wrong to discriminate against people for housing or employment because they belong to some minority or religious group? (I’m actually 50/50 here) What about voluntary prayer in schools? (Pray on, pray on…. Personally, I believe in praying privately. But that’s just me)
Most people are more complex than “fringe” political wonks believe. Most people have a variety of views, and these often span the political spectrum. If you’re one of those people, one of the multitudes that hold some conservative views and some liberal views, then you’re a political moderate – regardless of the political party to which you belong.

As of 2011: 38% independent, 31% democrat, 29% republican

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47140.html

Proud to be partially impartial - 50% of the time, a 100% of the time. :wink:
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By WilDeA
#337626
Like the blind men touching the elephant to define it, each describes from where he/she stands. None are so large or willing to move to contemplate the entire elephant and thus describe the entire animal. Each stands firm in their determination.

Republicans in Montgomery County would be considered center leftists in Texas or Arizona, its Democrats would be called socialists. If you live too far away from any neighbor who can help you in an emergency, you become independent and self reliant. You also become suspicious and conspirital of anyone who doesn't live in your household. The guy on the otherside of the mountain is no friend of yours and the water in your stream have better have more trout than your neighbors who fish the same stream. You are neighborly to those you choose and only to those.

If you live in the drone of a major city, you appreciate the necessary co-operation of neighbors. You see the illness and despair, it is right there next to you, and know that your neighbor's roaches can and will invade your house. You work hard for that man who lives in the suburbs that doesn't have the dirt and the noise and the screeching subways. You work together or suffer the consequences. You fight over parking spaces but join with the people in the next block against changes of street cleaning day. You may not like your immigrant neighbors but adapt to them and expect them to adapt to you. NYC Republicans in would be considered right wing in NYC but flaming liberals in Texas and there are no centerists.

These sweeping generalizations about the character of "D" and "R"s just don't cut the mustard. Those letters mean next to nothing unless you understand the circumstances.
Last edited by WilDeA on Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:46 am, edited 1 time in total.
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By paesano
#337635
c_yatsuk wrote:
ElephantInTheRoom wrote:When you hear speech from a person all wishy washy, flip flopping all over the place calling themselves a "Moderate"; you know what you got on your hands.


If you want to know what a liberal stands for, ask a conservative. If you want to know what a conservative stands for, ask a liberal. In neither case do we allow liberals or conservatives to define themselves? They have tried, for sure. But nobody listens to liberals other than other liberals. At the same time, conservatives talk to other conservatives when they discuss conservative values. Through this simple dynamic the great American political divide is achieved.

While Dems and Repubs each sling verbal arrows at each other, the most piercing and heated arguments initiate not from the center of each party, but from the most outspoken minority on the outside fringe. These are the people who we don’t want driving policy. These are the ones we should never give power to. Yet, while these tend to be the loudest voices in many political discussions, they are not the most numerous, nor the most powerful.

No, my dear friends, the most powerful political bloc in the US is the political moderate. Chances are, you’re a member of this demographic and you don’t even know it. This is a group of people who are “fence sitters”, don’t have an opinion on everything, and don’t think there’s very many issues at all that have a 100% right or 100% wrong approach. And then get criticized for it. For instance, I was told I was once spineless or didn’t have a backbone. Why, because I didn’t agree 100% on this or that, or agreed with this but not that.

“The fringe” will tell you moderates “live in the middle” and that they don’t feel strongly about any issue. Instead, we’re told that moderates throw up a few blades of grass into the wind and see which way it is blowing – and then decide. In a short, but related topic: It’s like getting into a debate or a discussion with someone who is on the fringe who is completely blind to the other side of the issue. (I.e. see Leginald) And then they get mad at you for not only seeing their side but the other side as well?

As in many other cases, the folks on the far right and left are wrong here as well. A political moderate is an individual who holds values that are considered traditionally conservative as well as some that are considered traditionally liberal. Are you for a strong national defense and for good public education? (I am! 11.5yr Vet and graduate of SVHS!) Do you value the environment while you also value the need to provide decent jobs? (I do) Do you believe that it’s wrong to discriminate against people for housing or employment because they belong to some minority or religious group? (I’m actually 50/50 here) What about voluntary prayer in schools? (Pray on, pray on…. Personally, I believe in praying privately. But that’s just me)
Most people are more complex than “fringe” political wonks believe. Most people have a variety of views, and these often span the political spectrum. If you’re one of those people, one of the multitudes that hold some conservative views and some liberal views, then you’re a political moderate – regardless of the political party to which you belong.

As of 2011: 38% independent, 31% democrat, 29% republican

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47140.html

Proud to be partially impartial - 50% of the time, a 100% of the time. :wink:

Mr. Yutsuk I have an inkling that you made have been a Democrat at on time and now turn to a Republican. Would I be correct in saying this? I’m not saying that it’s wrong either. I'm just going by what I have read now and in the past...
~P
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By Stinky Pete
#337732
Boro Friend wrote:From just about everytthing I have seen most Americans are center to center right


Probably skewed because you're drawn toward people/events/activities which support your views. Not that there's anything wrong with that...
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By Boro Friend
#337793
Stinky Pete wrote:
Boro Friend wrote:From just about everytthing I have seen most Americans are center to center right


Probably skewed because you're drawn toward people/events/activities which support your views. Not that there's anything wrong with that...


No I think I pretty well called it.
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By WilDeA
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How would you call your political outlook if you were 66 years old, lost your job, your spouse was unable to work, the value in your house and what you thought were adequate savings, had devalued by 50%. And now you were beginning frequently to feel ill and you expect to enter a period of uncertainy for both you and for your spouse because your neighborhood, which had always been safe, is beginning to deteriorate.

Do you want medicare cut?
Do you want the Federal Government through the state to stop giving grants to your community to fight crime?
Do you want the local factory to close because what it makes can be made overseas and sold here at lower prices?
Do you want the NIH and CDC to close? How do you feel about your school district graduating only 70% of the students you were supporting through tax dollars? To close the Federal Department of Education?